A cool car + a question

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 11/17/2017 at 18:07 • Filed to: None

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First, the cool car. It’s a ‘92 Saab 900 Turbo in mint condition, parked just down the street from where that !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! was parked yesterday. I passed the guy going the other way in traffic earlier this week and we exchanged a mutual Saab owner wave (fun thing about my car is I get the knowing owner wave from both Saab Snobs and Subaru Impreza Bros).

Second, I’m trying to decide if the Saabaru (and consequently the Impreza) is a hatchback or a small wagon? I know it’s a distinction without much of a difference, but for some reason I feel like these older ones are wagons while the post-2008 ones are hatchbacks. No clue why.

arl > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 18:27

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I always thought of the Impreza’s as small wagons.

And Saab’s are groovy. My Dad my a 900 Turbo he called Zippy. I call my GTI Zippy-Two as it’s about the same size, weight, turbo 4, hatchback. etc.

My wife has a Nissan Rogue.

When we call each other from our cars (HANDS FREE) we answer “ZIppy-Two”, or “Rogue-One”. We are goofballs.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > arl 11/17/2017 at 18:32

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We are goofballs relationship goals.

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 18:50

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2-door ( technically 3-door) = hatchback
4-door ( technically 5-door) = wagon

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Urambo Tauro 11/17/2017 at 18:52

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Right, except to me this is still a hatch:

MarquetteLa > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 18:54

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It’s a small wagon. There’s a side window behind the rear door.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MarquetteLa 11/17/2017 at 18:58

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That’s a good way to look at it.

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 19:01

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I have to admit, I do feel much more comfortable calling something a wagon when it has a substantially large rear cargo area, like a Roadmaster. But it’s hard to decide where to draw the line. (Should it be based on cubic feet? Anything over a certain number makes it a wagon?)

Judging by the number of doors might be oversimplifying things. But think it serves as a better starting point. From there, one can compare other wagons (or hatchbacks) and determine things like what a “small wagon” is.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Urambo Tauro 11/17/2017 at 19:04

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MarquetteLa made a good point, how about whether or not it has a window behind the back door (for 4-doors)?

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 19:10

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TBH, I feel like the window thing would be more suitable for discussing large vs small , rather than wagon vs hatchback .

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 19:18

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It’s Shorter than sedan verient(by two inches) so I’d call it a hatchback . If it’s shorter, in wheelbase, or overall length it’s a hatchback. If it’s longer or as long it’s a Wagon.

Edit: I was wrong they are both 174 inches long. The sedan is wider somehow tho. I was looking at the wrong numbers

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Urambo Tauro 11/17/2017 at 19:21

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I think if as a langth factor. If the it’s longer, or as long as the sedan verient it’s a Wagon. If it’s shorter it’s a hatchback.

Urambo Tauro > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 11/17/2017 at 19:27

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Longer than what? Shorter than what?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Urambo Tauro 11/17/2017 at 19:30

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The sedan version

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 11/17/2017 at 19:31

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So now it’s a wagon?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 19:31

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Yes Wagon

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 19:36

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Whoops, I missed the edited version of HFV’s reply haha. It previously read “If it’s longer it’s a wagon. If it’s shorter it’s a hatchback.”

RT > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 20:20

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I’m with you, the extra glass on this one makes it an estate (or wagon), while the later Imprezas had a shape more similar to a normal hatachback (e.g: VW Golf) instead.

Plus ‘small wagons’ do exist, in Euroland especially.

The one below is shorter than a 4-door Mitsubishi Mirage.

Bonus cool 900 cutaway I found.

facw > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 21:19

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I would call it a small wagon.

Torch had an analysis though personally I don’t think his rules work 100% of the time: https://jalopnik.com/5872562/what-makes-a-wagon-a-wagon

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/17/2017 at 22:36

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I always use the C-D pillar test. If it has flat roof between the C and D pillars it is a wagon. If the C and D pillars merge it is hatch. If it only has a C pillar it is a hatch. This is a wagon. The newer ones are hatchbacks.

AR24-7 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 11/26/2017 at 17:02

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WAGON.